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ushin then in this case where there is no ma'aseh geirushin at all it is reasonable that no prohibition to a kohen is created. However, if the ma'aseh geirushin is complete, but there is a side problem which prevents the get from taking effect, then it is certainly possible that a prohibition to a kohen is effected )see shiur #20(. If the eidim function as potential testimony, then it is reasonable that the eidim are a condition necessary for the kiddushin to take effect. However, they are merely an external requirement. Therefore, the absence of the eidim will have no negative effect on the ma'aseh per se. If, on the other hand, the very presence of the eidim transforms the kiddushin into an official public ceremony, then the eidim are functioning as an integral part of the ma'aseh kiddushin. Consequently, lack of eidim invalidates the ma'aseh kiddushin itself. )See Kometz Mincha mitzva 206(.Summary: We have developed two basic approaches regarding eidut le-kiyum ha-davar:1. Gittin and kiddushin require verifiability in order to take effect.2. In gittin and kiddushin, the actual presence of eidim is necessary;a. in order to insure intent.b. as part of the official ceremonial nature of gittin and kiddushin. According to the first approach, any potential documentation may be accepted, while the second approach requires the actual presence of eidim during the ceremony. The first approach would view the witnesses as an external condition necessary for gittin and kiddushin, while the second approach would likely consider the eidim as an intrinsic element of the ma'aseh.For further research:1. How can the second approach possibly derive eidut le-kiyum ha-davar from monetary litigation?2. See the Rambam and Ra'avad Hilkhot Ishut 7:23; 3:15; Rambam Hilkhot Geirushin 6:1-4. What is the argument between the Rambam and the Ra'avad based on? 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